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This new identity that God gives us sets us free from having to look to our job, school, or even people's opinions of our work to feel like we are accepted. Do you know what this is like? When you don't do well on a test and fail or when you miss an important play in a game, you feel like a loser, like a failure. Those feelings are identity feelings—they say something about who you believe you are. But Jesus says that you are accepted, loved, cherished, and valuable, even when you get bad grades.
– Joel Fitzpatrick
About the Episode
In this episode of The Hope + Help Project, Christine Chappell interviews author Joel Fitzpatrick about his book Between Us Guys: Life-Changing Conversations for Dads & Sons to discuss how both parent and child can lean in to important conversations with the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. During the interview, Joel talks about what biblical manhood is meant to look like and the importance of teaching our sons to embrace a gospel-centered view of women. He also addresses biblical wisdom for helping dads and sons navigate friendship problems, performance pressures, identity traps, as well as some helpful ways to practice generosity and financial stewardship.
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About the Podcast
The Hope + Help Project podcast offers compassionate biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The purpose of the podcast is to share Christ-centered comfort and clarity for those seeking biblical solutions for the struggles they face. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Listeners can expect to receive biblical wisdom as well as practical steps for facing suffering, struggling and sin with courage and grace. Hosted by author/writer Christine M. Chappell.
About the Guest
Joel Fitzpatrick has served as an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church in America with a focus on youth and family. He received his MDiv from Westminster Seminary California. He is the co-author of Mom, Dad . . . What’s Sex? and contributed chapters to The Sinner and Saints Devotional: 60 Days in the Psalms. Joel lives in Southern California with his wife and their two children.
About the Book
Between Us Guys: Life-Changing Conversations for Dads and Sons • This easy-to-use, life-changing book for fathers and sons gives readers the tools to have important conversations with boys about life, faith, and being a man. With a conversational and captivating tone, Christian fathers and other caregivers are guided into having gospel-focused conversations with boys ages 6 to 10 about a wide range of topics from social justice and friendships to money, anger, and what it means to be a man.

Christian dads are given an incredible opportunity to be one of the primary influences in their children's lives for the gospel. By inviting conversations in every arena of life, fathers pass down the message of Jesus Christ to the next generation. As a youth and family pastor and father to a young boy who's entered into many of these conversations, Joel Fitzpatrick knows it's important not to shy away from difficult subjects.

But he also knows dads and other caregivers need help in how to have intentional conversations with boys about God, themselves, and what difference knowing the gospel makes to their everyday life. Fitzpatrick invites fathers to share with their sons how the gospel shapes all aspects of life, including how they treat women, people from other ethnic groups, and much more. Specific, practical help is given to dads through suggested activities, Gods Word, and insightful questions.

In a world where television, the internet, social media, and gaming culture have taken away from quality time spent between fathers and sons, Between Us Guys urges readers to lean in to important conversations with the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
Helpful Resources from Joel
Gospel Masculinity
Masculinity is a hot topic right now. What does it mean to be a man whose life is shaped by the good news. In this sermon we will look at the Parable of the Prodigal Son and read about three very different men, then we will see how we become like our generous Father.
"Fabio"—the Back Story
If you listened to this interview and heard my side note about how learning how Fabio made his way into the show, please check out this episode of Joel's podcast Front Porch with the Fitzes to get in the know! Be ready for a chuckle or two! If you don't use iTunes, you can click here to stream the episode online.
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About Your Host
Christine M. Chappell
Writer & Podcast Host
Christine Chappell is the author of Clean Home, Messy Heart and Help! My Teen is Depressed (forthcoming with Shepherd Press in Spring 2020). She is the host of The Hope + Help Project podcast and writes frequently about depression, sorrow, grief, and motherhood at her blog. Christine has completed biblical counseling certificates with the Institute for Biblical Counseling & Discipleship, and is currently pursuing certification with the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors. Her writing has been featured at Desiring God, The Gospel Coalition, Risen Motherhood, Servants of Grace, Thrive Moms, Devotable, and For Every Mom.
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